“During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes have visited relentless persecution on them and received their teaching with the most savage hostility, the most furious hatred, the most ruthless campaign of lies and slanders. After their death, attempts are made to turn them into harmless icons, canonise them, and surround their names with a certain halo for the "consolation" of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping them, while at the same time emasculating and vulgarising the real essence of their revolutionary theories and blunting their revolutionary edge.” V I Lenin
If the line from Churchill about why Smuts hadn't killed Gandhi is true, your comment that this is a story, it speaks volumes on where we are today. The English (Atlanticist now) response to inconvenient, but true statements is to get rid of that person permanently. It is not that hard to see the same today in Western Government now. They wish they could get rid of us, those truly speaking truth to power. Nothing has changed. We just see more now since Covid, more of it is in the open. (Note, I am not saying this work against us started with Covid, clearly, with the benefit of hindsight, it probably started no later than 911, but it is undeniable now.)
When I click on the link for the article about Gandhi I get taken to all sorts of weird sites - different ones each time... something very strange has happened to that link!!!
Thank you Alex. Short and touching homage regarding a truthful non-violent protestor of the last century. Gandhi's book 'Hind Swaraj' gives some very interesting insights into the values and dedication of getting along ('Hindus and Moslems) and together 'Not Complying ' = uniting against the British for their Self-Rule (Swaraj) of their own country. I read it almost 40 years ago and I remember clearly his description of khadi cloth, which is hand-spun hand woven cloth, and how it actually is a more resilient and strong material than machine made thread and fabric. This he states actually causes friction and has less integrity than the khadi cloth. This is his great metaphor for this issues of the country that time. Themes of Division inside the country against a 'foreign power' seem relevant today.
Another viewpoint, which may — or may not :) — be instructive, is a slim volume by Peter Gelderloos, "How Non-Violence Protects the State." He makes the case that "Resistance to British colonialism included enough militancy that the Gandhian method can be viewed most accurately as one of several competing forms of popular resistance."
He reminds the reader that "When we remember that history is written by the victors, another layer of the myth of Indian independence comes unraveled. ... The British were not forced to quit India. Rather, they chose to transfer the territory from direct colonial rule to neocolonial rule. What kind of victory allows the losing side to dictate the time and manner of the victors' ascendancy? The British authored the new constitution and turned power over to handpicked successors."
The above viewpoint represents a large shift in my understanding of history, as I am of the age where my thoughts were conditioned by the "nonviolent, anti-war movement." Those of us who are content with peaceful existence do not understand the wrath of the warring parasite class, but must, regrettably, admit that the wrath exists.
In 1988 or so while a student at University of South Florida (USF)I asked a question to Paul d' Oronzio a PHD in social work regarding Gandhi. In his class Human Behavior and Social Environment II he stated:
"a person's behaviors are the result of the hierarchical restraints of their environments and emergent characteristics of their social environment." I raised my hand and asked innocently " How would this theory explain Mahatma Gandhi who defeated non-violently the British Empire and made them withdraw from India? d' Oronzio the Marxist academic looked at me and said: "the theory is states what the theory states." He would not engage in an honest reply. Later a few years, I reapplied to finish the BSW program at USF and this Academic Leftist dismissed me stating " You asked disturbing questions in my class..." This proves Mahatma's eternal influence doesn't it?
Sorry, Alex, to rain on the parade...but Gandhi is not a sacred cow and I cocurr with the dissenters. He reminds me of Pastor Niemöller, elevated to Sainthood...First they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out, because I was not a trade unionist.Then they came for the jews...He turned out to be a real crypto nazi, recycled by the Americans, who by the way recycled, adopted and transfigured all the nazi apparatus, save a few scapegoats hanged for show. Modi is an avatar of Gandhi.
Ghandi..? You mean the one who wrote that blacks "are troublesome, very dirty and live like animals"? The one who liked to sleep naked with little girls?
The "funny" thing is that the part I have no problems with (it being simple pattern recognition and observation of the reality he experienced in the 20 years he lived in South Africa) in today's West is a mortal sin, the part I do have problems with is just embraced, or at the very least condoned, "normal" sexual deviancy...
gandhi was made in satanic bank of england and was plan b to keep control
"there is not truth higher than God" turned into no god higher than truth is just proof of his deceit just like pope franky says...catholics and communists desire same ends
They (some Brit reporter) asked Gandhi if his "methods" would work on Hitler.
Gandhi said NO!
Full context and framing is important. Gandhi had his time.
Gandhi is of no use against machiavellian sociopathic governance that lies to its own people and weaponizes hatred on institutional levels. Systematically externalizing costs for the gain of a few.
Gandhi's opponents in India said he instructed, directed or advised, however one wants to put this, Indian women to "cooperate" with Muslim thugs, when they assault them and rape them, during the time there was a hug clash and war between the Muslims and Hindus in India!!!!!!!! This guy is really screwed up. I was in a TOTAL Shock when I found out, went and double checked it and sure enough. It came back as TRUE. He is still a good warrior for what he's done for his country, but that part of him is rotten.
In 1988 or so while a student at University of South Florida (USF)I asked a question to Paul d' Oronzio a PHD in social work regarding Gandhi. In his class Human Behavior and Social Environment II he stated:
"a person's behaviors are the result of the hierarchical restraints of their environments and emergent characteristics of their social environment." I raised my hand and asked innocently " How would this theory explain Mahatma Gandhi who defeated non-violently the British Empire and made them withdraw from India? d' Oronzio the Marxist academic looked at me and said: "the theory is states what the theory states." He would not engage in an honest reply. Later a few years, I reapplied to finish the BSW program at USF and this Academic Leftist dismissed me stating " You asked disturbing questions in my class..." This proves Mahatma's eternal influence, doesn't it?
“During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes have visited relentless persecution on them and received their teaching with the most savage hostility, the most furious hatred, the most ruthless campaign of lies and slanders. After their death, attempts are made to turn them into harmless icons, canonise them, and surround their names with a certain halo for the "consolation" of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping them, while at the same time emasculating and vulgarising the real essence of their revolutionary theories and blunting their revolutionary edge.” V I Lenin
The World needs a Gandhi now.
"True love is the love of truth. " Dartwill Aquila
If the line from Churchill about why Smuts hadn't killed Gandhi is true, your comment that this is a story, it speaks volumes on where we are today. The English (Atlanticist now) response to inconvenient, but true statements is to get rid of that person permanently. It is not that hard to see the same today in Western Government now. They wish they could get rid of us, those truly speaking truth to power. Nothing has changed. We just see more now since Covid, more of it is in the open. (Note, I am not saying this work against us started with Covid, clearly, with the benefit of hindsight, it probably started no later than 911, but it is undeniable now.)
When I click on the link for the article about Gandhi I get taken to all sorts of weird sites - different ones each time... something very strange has happened to that link!!!
Thank you Alex. Short and touching homage regarding a truthful non-violent protestor of the last century. Gandhi's book 'Hind Swaraj' gives some very interesting insights into the values and dedication of getting along ('Hindus and Moslems) and together 'Not Complying ' = uniting against the British for their Self-Rule (Swaraj) of their own country. I read it almost 40 years ago and I remember clearly his description of khadi cloth, which is hand-spun hand woven cloth, and how it actually is a more resilient and strong material than machine made thread and fabric. This he states actually causes friction and has less integrity than the khadi cloth. This is his great metaphor for this issues of the country that time. Themes of Division inside the country against a 'foreign power' seem relevant today.
Another viewpoint, which may — or may not :) — be instructive, is a slim volume by Peter Gelderloos, "How Non-Violence Protects the State." He makes the case that "Resistance to British colonialism included enough militancy that the Gandhian method can be viewed most accurately as one of several competing forms of popular resistance."
He reminds the reader that "When we remember that history is written by the victors, another layer of the myth of Indian independence comes unraveled. ... The British were not forced to quit India. Rather, they chose to transfer the territory from direct colonial rule to neocolonial rule. What kind of victory allows the losing side to dictate the time and manner of the victors' ascendancy? The British authored the new constitution and turned power over to handpicked successors."
The above viewpoint represents a large shift in my understanding of history, as I am of the age where my thoughts were conditioned by the "nonviolent, anti-war movement." Those of us who are content with peaceful existence do not understand the wrath of the warring parasite class, but must, regrettably, admit that the wrath exists.
In 1988 or so while a student at University of South Florida (USF)I asked a question to Paul d' Oronzio a PHD in social work regarding Gandhi. In his class Human Behavior and Social Environment II he stated:
"a person's behaviors are the result of the hierarchical restraints of their environments and emergent characteristics of their social environment." I raised my hand and asked innocently " How would this theory explain Mahatma Gandhi who defeated non-violently the British Empire and made them withdraw from India? d' Oronzio the Marxist academic looked at me and said: "the theory is states what the theory states." He would not engage in an honest reply. Later a few years, I reapplied to finish the BSW program at USF and this Academic Leftist dismissed me stating " You asked disturbing questions in my class..." This proves Mahatma's eternal influence doesn't it?
Sorry, Alex, to rain on the parade...but Gandhi is not a sacred cow and I cocurr with the dissenters. He reminds me of Pastor Niemöller, elevated to Sainthood...First they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out, because I was not a trade unionist.Then they came for the jews...He turned out to be a real crypto nazi, recycled by the Americans, who by the way recycled, adopted and transfigured all the nazi apparatus, save a few scapegoats hanged for show. Modi is an avatar of Gandhi.
Ghandi..? You mean the one who wrote that blacks "are troublesome, very dirty and live like animals"? The one who liked to sleep naked with little girls?
The "funny" thing is that the part I have no problems with (it being simple pattern recognition and observation of the reality he experienced in the 20 years he lived in South Africa) in today's West is a mortal sin, the part I do have problems with is just embraced, or at the very least condoned, "normal" sexual deviancy...
Not a Ghandi fan; India is stuck in the caste system.
both Smuts and Gandhi were likely Brtish creations...
gandhi was made in satanic bank of england and was plan b to keep control
"there is not truth higher than God" turned into no god higher than truth is just proof of his deceit just like pope franky says...catholics and communists desire same ends
They (some Brit reporter) asked Gandhi if his "methods" would work on Hitler.
Gandhi said NO!
Full context and framing is important. Gandhi had his time.
Gandhi is of no use against machiavellian sociopathic governance that lies to its own people and weaponizes hatred on institutional levels. Systematically externalizing costs for the gain of a few.
"Gandhi for you, Gain for me" is a nice trick.
Just saying!
Gandhi's opponents in India said he instructed, directed or advised, however one wants to put this, Indian women to "cooperate" with Muslim thugs, when they assault them and rape them, during the time there was a hug clash and war between the Muslims and Hindus in India!!!!!!!! This guy is really screwed up. I was in a TOTAL Shock when I found out, went and double checked it and sure enough. It came back as TRUE. He is still a good warrior for what he's done for his country, but that part of him is rotten.
In 1988 or so while a student at University of South Florida (USF)I asked a question to Paul d' Oronzio a PHD in social work regarding Gandhi. In his class Human Behavior and Social Environment II he stated:
"a person's behaviors are the result of the hierarchical restraints of their environments and emergent characteristics of their social environment." I raised my hand and asked innocently " How would this theory explain Mahatma Gandhi who defeated non-violently the British Empire and made them withdraw from India? d' Oronzio the Marxist academic looked at me and said: "the theory is states what the theory states." He would not engage in an honest reply. Later a few years, I reapplied to finish the BSW program at USF and this Academic Leftist dismissed me stating " You asked disturbing questions in my class..." This proves Mahatma's eternal influence, doesn't it?